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  1. lawbad at |

    I agree. The reason we have courts of law, and systems of law, is because people can be easily corrupted or motivated to do the wrong thing to achieve a selfish end.

    Leaving aside the question of guilt, you have almost sixty women making public accusations decades after the fact. You have lawyers who are eager to sue Cosby because of the potential of a large settlement. You have the news and entertainment media who like the Rise and Fall of Bill Cosby story and who are motivated by the current Presidential election (this case has become about more than Bill Cosby, but Rape Culture, statute of limitations, and the question of how well the system protects victims of sexual assault) to get women civically engaged. You have a hotshot District Attorney in PA who is using the opportunity to prosecute a famous person to raise his political profile. You have the courts who are motivated by the money it make in allowing these cases to go to trial.

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  2. KiaSoto at |

    Great POV wish more people would like it like you explained it!

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  3. Hope Savage at |

    Well, I’ve got a few things to say…

    Many of these women do not want or need his money nor do they want or need the notariety of being a Cosby victim. Nowhere in your writing do you express any concern for women who are drugged and raped.And, Honey, when that many women come forward telling the same story, it’s because it’s probably TRUE. There is a special place in hell for women like you. BUT, you are VERY young and there will be plenty of time for you to have many unpleasant encounters with unpleasant men in your lifetime yet. And you will. We all do. You were not even BORN when some of these women were abused so, you don’t understand that things like rape were not discussed in the 60’s and 70’s. We were even told to shut up about dirty old men trying to molest us. We were told it to stay away from them. You have ZERO knowledge of what it was like in those days to be sexually assaulted and then vilified by the police and in court. Not five years ago, I sat in the court while a trial lawyer asked a 12 year old questions about her vagina and the molesters penis and when and where and, with his tongue? With his finger? For THREE HOURS! About a case that happened when she was eight. How do you suppose grown women are treated? How about during the Mad Men era? Do you think those women would have been given any consideration? Now add to it that you are drugged and raped by the most famous comedian of our time. Who will you tell? Will you be believed? Will you ever work as an actress again? There were no rape kits to gather DNA. If you are paying attention (and that is doubtful), you may be aware that EVEN NOW, women’s rape kits are not even tested because some cop decides for himself she wasn’t raped so, doesn’t submit it for testing. You are uninformed and naive. Who do you think you are judging them?
    You better get on the sisterhood bus, kid. Women may be the only ones standing up for you if you were ever so unfortunate as to become one of the statistical one in three women sexually assaulted. I am ashamed of you

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    1. jinarvada at |

      The PR strategy that these accusers were never looking for money or notoriety has been pretty much totally debunked by the fact that these women have chased after every bit of publicity and lawsuits for money that they can, despite the fact that not a single one of them has ever produced a shred of credible evidence to support their claims. Honey, when that many women come forward, almost half of them coming forward only AFTER Gloria Allred challenged Cosby to put up a $100 million dollar victim trust funds, and not one of these women has any credible evidence, it’s probably because it’s – guess what – NOT true.

      Comparing BC to a rapist of an eight year old girl is a false equivalency, and a failed tactic used by supporters.

      It’s true that the definition of rape was very different in the 60s and 70s. In fact, the kind of contact these accusers describe was not considered rape back then. That definition didn’t change until the 1990s. That means there was likely no way to bring rape charges against a person for a crime that didn’t exist. I’m not interested in any debate that it was or always was rape, or it should have been rape, and rape is rape, etc. You can’t retroactively call a man a rapist.

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    2. lawbad at |

      I think you’re doing what many people do in this debate, which is take contextually consistent logic and apply it to hypothetical nonfictional situations, or apply what is generally true without any consideration for the details. I call it the Sisterhood Fallacy.

      If someone says we shouldn’t rush to judge Bill Cosby because these women have no proof, no evidence, no witnesses, and no verifiable facts, that doesn’t mean we’re calling any woman who sits on an allegation a liar. If we point out inconsistencies in their stories, that isn’t an invitation to lecture us on other people’s stories, irrespective of their truth.

      If you have to change the subject, or turn a discussion about “Billy Cosby accusers” into a defense of “any woman who has ever been a victim of sexual assault”, your point is bogus, and there’s no reason to discuss anything with you because you’re guided by the principle of “I must defend the honor of rape accusers” and not what you SHOULD be motivated by, which is “the truth”.

      If these women were just confiding in a good friend or relative, the specific details may not matter. But if you’re going to broadcast your story to the whole world, facts trump feelings. Rights trump rhetoric.

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      1. Adam at |

        Well said. I wish I could upvote this 10 more times.

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    3. Adam at |

      About the notoriety of being a Cosby victim, it’s really hard at this point to say they don’t want or need it. They’ve done their TV specials and magazine cover shoots from at least CNN, A&E, Entertainment Tonight, the Dr. Phil Show, and more telling their stories. Their name will be forever be known as that women who accused Bill Cosby of rape or sexual assault or whatever their specific story is. One woman who was even found to have completely fabricated her story about Bill Cosby even wrote a rap song about the tale. Literally, a rap song – I’m not kidding.

      And as for other rape cases, I was in a jury as well for a case about a father being accused of sexually assaulting his own daughter. Let me tell you, it’s not black and white. Where the fingers go or didn’t go is extremely important as children can easily be led in one direction by using suggestive questioning. You have to get all the facts.

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  4. Tom Peffer at |

    Bill Cosby was an extremely horny man… lets get to the trail so the evidence can be presented and we can start calling him a guilty drugger and rapest.

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  5. Tom Peffer at |

    this article sounds like someone had a quota to meet

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  6. Adam at |

    Thank you for the well thought out article. Well done.

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